[grobe1458]

many of the reasons above is also why I don't participate there anymore.
not going to get into the details as it's neither here nor there.
the most I'll do there is post pics of any fun shoots with members I get together with for those members I get together with.
a great group of guys who enjoy airguns like me.

[Jward681]

I've not been on this forum in ages and have recently been banned from gta not once but twice. The facts are that Dez and rocker have totally destroyed the life work of Gene and Bob and he will try to defend his actions is such bogus ways.

Gta might boast a huge membership however most of us know those numbers are lies as so many have walked away or been pushed out. If Dez and his minions actually purged unused accts they'd loose so many sponsorship dollars they'd cry for years.

Make no mistake I'm no angel but I challenged them to step up and get GTA back to the great forum it once was and their answer was to swing their big bad ban hammer down. If they continue this course it won't be long before the "yes men" are the only ones active there

4 years of membership there and I was banned for stuff said on other forums....cowards and bullies are about the nicest things I've got to say about Dez and his little partner Rocker

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Jward681

I've not been on this forum in ages and have recently been banned from gta not once but twice. The facts are that Dez and rocker have totally destroyed the life work of Gene and Bob and he will try to defend his actions is such bogus ways.

Gta might boast a huge membership however most of us know those numbers are lies as so many have walked away or been pushed out. If Dez and his minions actually purged unused accts they'd loose so many sponsorship dollars they'd cry for years.

Make no mistake I'm no angel but I challenged them to step up and get GTA back to the great forum it once was and their answer was to swing their big bad ban hammer down. If they continue this course it won't be long before the "yes men" are the only ones active there

4 years of membership there and I was banned for stuff said on other forums....cowards and bullies are about the nicest things I've got to say about Dez and his little partner Rocker

Hey, least you were banned for stuff you said. I was banned for allowing this thread ! LMFAO

[critter99]

I bet that one drives Him Nutz...shows how 2 faced he really is

[Bob La Londe]

Unfortunately GTA has decided not only to be how they are, but have now gotten another forum to begin down that dark path as well. Not only will you get banned on GTA, but now you will get censored or banned on another forum. One many of us joined when it seemed to have a lot of good people who quit participating at GTA because of censorship, hypocrisy, selective rules enforcement, poor definition of rules, forced bias by prohibiting any negative truths, because they couldn't even ask why or how, or for some other reason. Some were banned, but many others just walked away.

GTA is what it is. I don't think any of us will change them. Unfortunately they are trying to reach outside their sphere to attack people second hand on other forums as well. People who have long since given up on GTA. I don't talk about GTA or even think about them except when I see posts like this one. http://airgunguild.com/airgun-guild-...re!!!/msg13679 Now I don't think Travis is a bad guy. We aren't friends, and he has never done me any favors, jokes about shit eating dogs not withstanding. I think he has made a bald and blatant alignment though that will negatively impact how people see him. A few people posted up in defense... or in attack in his favor, but I see most folks remained silent so far. I have not posted on AG since except to withdraw a standing order on part of a group order from Travis. To be fair I didn't withdraw it just because of that post. I was thinking about withdrawing it anyway for financial reasons. I can afford it, but there are other things I want more. It did give me the impetuous to do it though. That last little push. I can make all those parts myself if I really want them anyway.

I'm pretty much an outsider everywhere. I've learned that being a joiner or a go-along can compromise my personal principles. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't have any respect for me, and I am ok with that. All I ever tried to do was live up to my own rules, and when I fail I am harder on myself than anybody. I can't honestly say I don't care what anybody thinks. Anybody who says that is lying either to themselves or others. I do try to brush it off (doing a poor job most days) and rationally make my own decisions. GTA is an emotional subject for many people and exacerbated by some tyrannical type behavior. Its hard to let it go and not say anything when you leave and it chases you elsewhere.

Dave EZMAN604. I implore you to change your megalomaniac type behavior and withdraw within your borders. Your acts of aggression and those of your henchman outside your realm are being noticed by others. Including your sponsors. Censorship within your realm are your business, but wielding that influence to attack people outside your borders solely for your own self interest is doing nothing but damage to you. I'd just as soon forget you exist and just talk about airguns honestly and openly with other airgun enthusiasts. That would be in the best interest of both you and me. I've rarely spoken of you or your dictatorship except when it has reached out into other areas on the offensive either actively in some cases, or thru third parties. I'm sure at your core there started out a good man in all of you. Please bring that back. Take the high road. You want to be respected leaders then act like it. Very few unbiased intelligent free thinkers have any respect for the path you have chosen.

[Bob La Londe]

While I suspect its possible that Travis gave in to blackmail and coercion of losing his gate and his sponsor status at GTA I am still disappointed. I am not disappointed by GTA though. In my opinion they have long used threats and intimidation to get their way. I almost expect that from some people there.

[Clifford]

Good posts Bob. I really would have hoped Travis would refuse to be controlled by the GTA administration but I understand why he may want to keep the peace. Unfortunately, I don't always have the ability to stay silent when threads like that pop up, and as expected the faithful have started piling on and the sheep will likely soon follow.

[Bob La Londe]

I am seeing very GTA LIKE behavior now. I am so sorry to see it happen. If get threatened or banned over my posts here we will know the door has closed. LOL.

[Clifford]

I just got banned from the guild for asking about Travis's motivation behind the thread. Bob Sterne sent me a PM warning basically saying I will face a vacation from the guild like I did on GTA if I didn't stop. I replied that I never took a forced vacation from GTA and Travis started the thread and therefore should expect some responses and questions.

Travis openly stated in the thread that he does not have to explain anything, so it looks like the guild will continue to be heavily influenced by GTA and he will hide his true motivation as needed.

[Bob La Londe]

It's his fiefdom, so it's his choice. Gee... sounds a lot like a conversation I once tried to have with the admin of the only forum that ever banned me. A private conversation so as to not rile everybody up. Oh well. They locked the thread by the way. In my opinion all such edicts should start out locked making it clear that there is to be no rational discussion on the subject.